Curse

Tseng Shinra · May 15, 2006, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by Jagflame

I do not understand TC, they act noble like they are friends to all, yet they treat BkBd much lower than what they are. I see many BkBd flames here, perhaps they are not always by TC members but TC has not condemned the flamers and thus have given them silent approval.

Clear up your wording, you say THEY when it is only some people in the alliance, of which we do not condone their behavior. Similarly to Black Blades, of course they're will be flamers from BkBds flaming us and making up rumors...but they dont condone that either. Its really a minority of both alliances that are flaming other people.

badfish34668 · May 15, 2006, 01:15 AM // 01:15

thanks for making the deep open to all....now every group is filled with nitwits, and nooblets, with no chance of getting past room 3.

gg.

anonymous · May 15, 2006, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by badfish34668

thanks for making the deep open to all....now every group is filled with nitwits, and nooblets, with no chance of getting past room 3.

gg.

What? So grinding millions of faction suddenly makes you a better player?

Jagflame · May 15, 2006, 01:38 AM // 01:38

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What? So grinding millions of faction suddenly makes you a better player?

No, but it makes you a dedicated one. Dedicated players, as a general rule, at least know what they are doing.

salaboB · May 15, 2006, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by Jagflame

No, but it makes you a dedicated one. Dedicated players, as a general rule, at least know what they are doing.

I can't even begin to tell you how many twits in 15k armor I've PUGged with.

Dedicated GW players in PvE mean nothing, really. Except they have a lot of time on their hands.

Sir Mad · May 15, 2006, 01:43 AM // 01:43

Dedicated? No: it proves you have a huge number of players in your alliance running to get factions.

Should the players who do not belong to a guild or the players who do not belong to an alliance, or the players who belong to a small alliance have the entrance of this mission refused? I don't think so.

Yes, there are newbies in the Deep. But please, tell me: who is not a newby there? Just find ONE experienced player in the Deep.

Since how long Factions exists?

Umm?

Daktarins Bane · May 15, 2006, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Well, this has been educational. I'll admit i lost interest around... approximately page 6, but what i have read has explained a lot.

Let me start by introducing myself, i go by the name Daktarins Bane in factions, and the rather humble guild i belonged to (known as the Moravian Tyrhants) was absorbed by a guild i, being rather new to factions, had never heard of, known as "The Black Blades". When i entered this guild i was met with a friendly group of people willing to teach me and help me as much as they could.

The problem i now face, became apparent very early on when joining this guild. The constant barrage of insulting whispers from people i don't even know is just insane. I don't bother replying, in a sad sorta way it amuses me. This would explain Akasun Sasori's rather... lets say unnecessary outburst, many people in our alliance do indeed feel rather alienated for such (in my opinion) a silly reason, why the hate?

I feel that the battle for cavalon is fair game, TC have shown this, i'm not too sure about the "donating faction" system they have been using, but hey ho, its an interesting use of the faction system that players have thought of, as are many builds for characters or tactics used in pvp. Anyway i digress, TC have shown it IS possible to take cavalon from us, and i hope they keep the battle up, we had lots of fun grinding for factions in runs/alliance battles (whichever suit us, i'm more of a fan of alliance battles).

We all have different opinions of what the elite missions are about, personally i feel they are what they are called... elite, thus i really only want to attempt it with people i trust. TC believe that the elite missions should be for everyone, i agree this is a noble cause, but in my opnion it thins out the skill base, making into the deep a far less pleasurable affair.

The point i am, rather haphazzardly, trying to make is, cavalon is there to be taken, we look forward to the challenge and will meet it as best we can. Have fun guys and i'll eagerly be looking forward to the next faction crunch between ourselves and TC, it was a blast last time.

Can't we all just... get along?

Jagflame · May 15, 2006, 02:17 AM // 02:17

Great post Daktarins, and it strengthens my point about BkBd being made out to be much worse than they are in reality.

Jeebus 07 · May 15, 2006, 03:26 AM // 03:26

Well, I didnt read this all so I'm not sure if this has been said, but maybe Anet should cap the amount of time you can control these elite missions for, or if you are controlling them for XX days you start to lose alliance at a greater rate. Well, my guild chose kurzick anyways but I dont think one group of people should be allowed to hold these places indefinitley.
Anyway I hope this works out for you guys and good luck.

Oldmantime · May 15, 2006, 04:28 AM // 04:28

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Originally Posted by Daktarins Bane

We all have different opinions of what the elite missions are about, personally i feel they are what they are called... elite, thus i really only want to attempt it with people i trust.

no they're not, they're not much harder than any high level area (UW/FOW/Sorrows/Tombs) because you're not fighting huge groups, you're fighting groups slightly larger with TWELVE PEOPLE. oh you can run in wammo style and aggro an extra 20 if you like the challenge i don't see why you would but the only black blades member i played with liked to do it a lot.

IMO posts like this PROVE that you guys don't deserve to own the elite missions, you have shown that you're not skilled pvers, you're a grinding factory. Running to get faction requires no skill and the skills to play in pvp alliance battles don't translate to high end pve play.

sorry to sound so insulting but it's the truth, these elite missions are not elite. take your time, figure out the aspects, which enemies to pull, where to fight and always have an escape route and it's very very doable.

edit: i'd also like to add that i wouldn't have the slightest problem with only one guild holding the elite missions and not letting anyone else in if the rest of us who don't want to waste our entire game experiance grinding had SOME high level areas to go to, but we don't, we still have to take our newly made characters to the same areas we've been going to for the past year, factions begins at level 20 and the only high level pve areas are the elite missions - that's why everyone should have access.

Marth Reynolds · May 15, 2006, 04:29 AM // 04:29

Cheers to the crusaders for letting me in the deep

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Had some fun in there but every time you got some leavers or AFK'ers.
(only logical since the mission is big)

As Badfish said there are quite some naablets:
like an healer monk that tried to heal himself in room 7 (where are spells fail) when he was under attack...

And not to mention that my 3rd team wanted to kill the wurm before the aspect, while the aspect in that room made all enchantmenst fail...
(that would be no protective spirit vs an 300-1000 dmg dealing wurm)

Monks get trauma's out of such things XD
we made it to room 9 tough but i never came furher :P

Pinkbunny · May 15, 2006, 06:41 AM // 06:41

Nice post daktarins. There is something to be said about Anet making a mission availabe only to one alliance but hey thats Anet's problem so go whine to them. Therefore that is not a reason to hate Bklb and their other members. If they earn their hold over Cavalon they can do with it as they please which is the way the game was designed. If you have a problem with the way the game was made why go crying like a 10 year old girl on these forums instead of complaining to Anet? Grab a clue, grow up a little, take a nap and remember the game is played the way it was designed.

Origin · May 15, 2006, 06:56 AM // 06:56

We've made it to Kanaxai boss with PUG but we couldn't kill him [only one war had distracting and no shatter enchantment or so...]Next time I'll bring those things with me...

Oldmantime · May 15, 2006, 07:03 AM // 07:03

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Originally Posted by Pinkbunny

If you have a problem with the way the game was made why go crying like a 10 year old girl on these forums instead of complaining to Anet?

Grab a clue, grow up a little and remember games are there to be enjoyed, Factions isn't really a stand alone game, ANET had the entire prophecies player base to keep happy, if the over all consensus is that certain aspects of factions are unwanted, they should be changed. why keep the majority of players unhappy so a small percentage are happy? It's not a sensible buisness idea.

Kariston The Swift · May 15, 2006, 07:17 AM // 07:17

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Originally Posted by Oldmantime

no they're not, they're not much harder than any high level area (UW/FOW/Sorrows/Tombs) because you're not fighting huge groups, you're fighting groups slightly larger with TWELVE PEOPLE. oh you can run in wammo style and aggro an extra 20 if you like the challenge i don't see why you would but the only black blades member i played with liked to do it a lot.

IMO posts like this PROVE that you guys don't deserve to own the elite missions, you have shown that you're not skilled pvers, you're a grinding factory. Running to get faction requires no skill and the skills to play in pvp alliance battles don't translate to high end pve play.

sorry to sound so insulting but it's the truth, these elite missions are not elite. take your time, figure out the aspects, which enemies to pull, where to fight and always have an escape route and it's very very doable.

edit: i'd also like to add that i wouldn't have the slightest problem with only one guild holding the elite missions and not letting anyone else in if the rest of us who don't want to waste our entire game experiance grinding had SOME high level areas to go to, but we don't, we still have to take our newly made characters to the same areas we've been going to for the past year, factions begins at level 20 and the only high level pve areas are the elite missions - that's why everyone should have access.

So you ripped this guy's post apart because he has a different opinion than yours? Wow..

Pinkbunny · May 15, 2006, 07:21 AM // 07:21

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Originally Posted by Oldmantime

Grab a clue, grow up a little and remember games are there to be enjoyed, Factions isn't really a stand alone game, ANET had the entire prophecies player base to keep happy, if the over all consensus is that certain aspects of factions are unwanted, they should be changed. why keep the majority of players unhappy so a small percentage are happy? It's not a sensible buisness idea.

No offense but did I not just say the exact same thing? Anet made a mistake by making the area exclusive but as long as it is dont go crying to Bklb. Instead take your hankie and give it a rest for a day.

Oldmantime · May 15, 2006, 07:24 AM // 07:24

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Originally Posted by Kariston The Swift

So you ripped this guy's post apart because he has a different opinion than yours? Wow..

well it was mostly because i was sick of the guilds who own the elite missions telling everyone they're too 1337 4 j00!!!!!! That feeling was made a lot worse when i actually played through it myself and got to the last boss on my second go with a pick up group (couldn't kill him because we had no enchant removal and 2 err 7s just before we got there)

*shrugs* What can i say, i don't like being told i wouldn't be able to do something...

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Originally Posted by Pinkbunny

No offense but did I not just say the exact same thing? Anet made a mistake by making the area exclusive but as long as it is dont go crying to Bklb. Instead take your hankie and give it a rest for a day.

my mistake, i misread your last post (been up studying most of the night), however, i wouldn't care about the elite missions if us plebs got some end game for our money, but we didn't that's my problem, however, i didn't like the way the black blades seemed to look down on everyone else either when they held it...

Kariston The Swift · May 15, 2006, 07:28 AM // 07:28

I just think most people in this thread act as if they can only have fun if they have access to every part of this game. Alot of Pvers don't have /rank emotes or reach the Hall of Heros and they complain but guess what? They still have fun with the game. IMO this is basically the same thing. If you can't get into an elite mission either try to control it yourself, find some other way to enjoy the game or go play something else. Simple as that.

Oldmantime · May 15, 2006, 07:32 AM // 07:32

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Originally Posted by Kariston The Swift

find some other way to enjoy the game or go play something else. Simple as that.

after 2000 hours of prophecies i think it's ok to speak up if you don't like the expansion in the hopes that ANET will wake up and change things in such a way that will keep the MAJORITY of the players happy

Edrina Spellweaver · May 15, 2006, 07:36 AM // 07:36

For the sake of myself, my guildmates, the alliance and everyone else involved, it seems like some (further) clarification is in order.

1) Why don't all players have access to the elite mission? We all payed for the game, we deserve equal access, right?

Yes well payed our dues, and deserve an equal share of content, don't you think? However, as PaladinVII pointed out in our forums: "It's said directly on the box:

"Exclusive Elite missions : The most powerful alliances earn access to exclusive missions designed to challange even the most advanced gamers."

And in the manual on page 107:

ELITE MISSIONS : Elite missions are a special cooperative play challange for high level characters. An elite mission is played by a large group of characters on a dungeon-style map featureing multipul rooms, and offers many rewards in the form of gold and rare items. Elite missions allow parties of up to 12 players to team up and face the danger together. Each one has a unique set of objectives and victory conditions, and are only accessible to the highest-ranked alliances on either the Luxon or Kurzic side."

As descibed, elite missions would only be for the alliances who controlled the area which provides access.

Also, last I checked we had around 9 million faction, so factor in decay and get about 12 million, that's 12000 pieces of jadeite, and at around 2k each, that's 24 million gold we lost for control of Cavalon.

2) Why are the members of the alliance forbidden to sell Zodiac items outside the Alliance? Why are people who violate this kicked from the alliance?

When you spend all the time farming for faction, planning a Deep run, attempting a Deep run, finally succeeding, only to find that the area exclusive items are in the hands of someone who doesn't even know where they came from or why it's "Kanaxai's Axe", it makes all that time spent practically pointless. Like FoW armor, chaos axes and the like, these items are a status symbol and not any better then any other item statistically.

Alliance members who willfully violate this agreement are in the alliance for one thing: personal profit. They are not team players, and their attitude towards the game differs from our own in such a way that they cannot be allowed continued exploitation of the alliance's hard work as a whole.

3) Why are The Black Blades a bunch of elitist pricks who hate everyone outside the alliance?

First and foremost, if anyone feels that they have been mistreated by a member of the alliance, notify that person's guild's officers and explain the situation clearly.

Second, this is simply not the case. All the members of my guild have come to help me at prior missions, sold items at discount prices, and have provided general advice and wity game banter as all guilds should. Our goal was to be #1 and take Cavalon from the German guild GZSZ. When we finally took it, it wasn't "We R 2 1337 4 j00!!!1" so much as "We are #1!" If The Crusaders goal is to hold Cavalon and open The Deep, by all means have at it. I embrace the challenge to keep us on our toes. Haressment, bigotry, slander, and discredit to our name, however, will not be tolerated and dealt with accordingly. Take your fights to GvG.

I have one final word: as much fun as Guild Wars is, it is still just a game. So quit whining and play the game.

P.S. There are never any good groups in Unwaking Waters and I for one think...